Tulpa.info - metaphysics

A cold read is "cold" like a "cold meet", i.e. you've never met the person before

I like warm reading near a fireplace

Even just having been around a person a little makes it al ot more likely you'll be able to guess things about them

Much nicer than cold reading

Also, I have to ask... do you have any social media? Or do you talk in any servers

'Cold read is essentially combining high probability guesses and broad statements with carefully crafted language' quoted from the source.

1:45 PM

Yes. I talk in other servers.

do you know if this person, or anyone they talk to, or any of their alt accounts are in any of those servers?

No.

or if anyone talks about you in any of those servers, or any server this person is in?

Nope.

I bring all that up to show that there's potential sources of information outside of stuff you said directly to her, or to people that would have told her

Yeah, but it wasn't applicable.

How can you be certain that no one you've ever spoken to has ever spoken with her?

Because I have a very limited friend group

Man, I feel bad for you, you're in deep here but the fact you're talking here shows me you're still interested in outsider's opinions

1:47 PM

I hope Orhu doesn't spook ya too bad

And there weren't any mutual friends in Discord

You don't have to be friends on Discord to DM them

Yes, but also none of my firends were in servers with them prior to that

1:49 PM

Only me at the time.

1:50 PM

You COULD say they met elsewhere, but 1, we never mentioned any friends. 2. I mentioned my girlfriend, but she didn't talk to this person until later. (edited)

1:51 PM

Probability would say one or two mentions at least would come up inevitably if they knew any of my friends and could reasonably link them to me. (edited)

That doesn't mean that it's not possible

Yes, but anything's possible. Doesn't explain it, though.

You know, if your friend group is limited and primarily online, that wouldn't rule out the possibility of you being screwed with here

1:53 PM

Imo

Or scour your discord message history in any server that you talked in in the past, or where any of your friends mentioned you- she wouldn't need to learn from you who your friends are, she could just search your name in a server and see who mentioned it, ever

Only 3 were people I talked to online and in very seperate ways. They weren't in mutual servers, though. I remember checking their mutual friends and nothing there. I remember looking at mutual servers and only one with me and no other friends.

The information you have now, just isn't complete You can't rule out that they didn't have mutual servers in the past, or even that at separate times, one person talked somewhere for a while and left, and then another person comes in and searches messages and finds those messages

You can hide all that through alts

Or, really, outside of all that, it's still entirely possible that she really and truly guessed this stuff- it's not quite "cold" reading anymore because, you're dating her, right?

Also, this consistency thing has been for over a year and a half, btw. So... intentional faking is honestly not likely. And again, possible doesn't matter, as any explanation is possible.

1:58 PM

No. Not the same person. (edited)

1:59 PM

Seperate from me and my girlfriend. That's something I mentioned.

Doesnt take much effort to say yeah you're right, and with the proper knowledge it's not hard to make informed guesses about other people

2:00 PM

For example, yesterday when I asked about my dog

2:00 PM

That was a cold read

It is with uninformed guesses, though.

Who is this person? You've spoken enough, I think we can get a name

Again, 'describe her appearance to me.' Reply: 'very purple. Human looking (aka anthro)'. Their name was Dazama.

2:05 PM

If anything, they'd guess skin tone if it was based on statistical probability.

If you were blue instead, she would have said, purple is close to blue And purple is between red and blue, the most common colors- and color preference is something most people can guess at with good accuracy after knowing someone a little, because few people chose bizarre colors like lime green or mauve or eggshell: you're really just guessing between red, blue, black, white, pink, and purple, and I can tell you're not a black or a pink person, so that knocks us down to just four choices, and like I said, "purple" is also between blue and red And "human looking"

But she didn't.

No one is asked to describe someone's appearance and says their skin tone- we go with hair color or eyes or clothes

She got it right immediately.

Yes

2:06 PM

Someone who is used to talking like this can say those types of things rapidfire

2:07 PM

This is an image they craft

There was no hair or clothing, so that didn't apply.

2:08 PM

However, they also didn't imply hair or clothing ever when I asked what the appearance was.

What are you bald? Lol

2:08 PM

And also a nudist

Not me. My tulpa.

2:08 PM

The one being asked about.

I see some of the messages from her account, Nurla, Lora, Candy

2:09 PM

Dazama#3442

Yes.

if I framed this better I could have told you I sensed those names, they came to me

Candy was a pseudonym, btw, for Serena.

I see

Used to contact me at a time I was trying to cut contact with Serena until my life improved. (edited)

who did? Dazama?

Well, Dazama was in the same body as 'candy' who, from what was implied, is an introject of Serena. (edited)

you're really just guessing between red, blue, black, white, pink, and purple

I've known plenty of people with green as their fav colour, and at least one person with yellow

2:13 PM

Definitely more so than black or white lol

I may as well add this since you found the account of the other person, Serena is my tulpa's name now, but used to be named Cynder before she and I were reunited. (edited)

So.... yeah, I'm trying to piece together a sort of timeline here

2:18 PM

how did all this start? Was it, you found out about tulpamancy, you make a tulpa named Cynder, you meet the system with Dazama and the others, they start talking with you about system-hopping and AP and other things, you become interested in those concepts, you start systemhopping, and... I'm not sure what happened with Cynder becoming Serena (edited)

2:19 PM

I got class in a minute but I'll be checking around

Goodness

This isn't an uncommon story. If you're looking for a "scientific"explanation people who do this are experts at guessing things in a way that they can't be wrong or picking up on the answers from your history and or other information. When people who do this are tested in very controlled situations their visions/knowledge they're about as good as a random guess. If they were able to tell, I'm relatively confident there was an information leak or other trick that allowed then to. Or coincidence! Coincidences happen (edited)

2:33 PM

Do not sit at try to count what you see here and explain all the ways it couldn't be done, that doesn't work because the real world is messy. You need need need a controlled experiment with a very carefully picked setup to do this sort of thing (edited)

I found out about tulpamancy, make a tulpa named Cynder, met my girlfriend's tulpa, a month later, my tulpa and my girlfriend's tulpa had an erp that turned into experimentation with sending sensations mentally once a tactile sensation interrupted both ends the rp, I started talking about it a lot on Discord for explanations, none fully explaining it, I eventually just try to move on, but it keeps happening, then it leads to mindscape hopping, then I meet Dazama by talking on a server with her in it about the experiences. She then wants to try having my tulpa show her mindscape jumping, and it yields results that only further verify it, then Cynder grows upset that I have a girlfriend and I ask Dazama if Cynder can stay there so she's not being destructive with my relationship with my girlfriend, which Dazama accepts. Then Cynder changes her name to Candy and reaches out to me, but I'm able to realize it's her and don't want to talk to her. I block her account and shortly after, delete my account and make a new one. Later, Candy jumps back to my mindscape, explaining she's not happy without me and I let her stay with the condition that she doesn't let her feelings get in the way of my girlfriend. She later changes her identity to Serena to drop all negative associations she had to her destructive behaviors. I also reach back out to Dazama, and she seems shocked, I ask to confirm if Cynder/candy is still with her, and she says she hasn't seen her since what lined up as around the time she came back to my mindscape.

2:40 PM

That's the rough very condensed timeline.

2:44 PM

All that was over 8 months, so there are more things. Lots more. They pretty much all link into this timeline, but are not all relevant to it or it's validity. Smaller details do add to the validity, however, but I'd be typing for many hours to get all of that and I'm using my cell phone to say all this. Not to mention that I wasn't keeping track of all of it.

2:46 PM

The reasons I didn't keep track are: 1. I have a life to live. 2. I didn't pre-emptively expect any of this, or if I did, it wasn't that much.

Keeping track of everything wouldn't have really helped regardless. If the situation isn't controlled you can't possibly account for and record everything

Those are very normal reasons, btw.

yeah no worries, I'm not going to nitpick about timeline stuff, the events themselves are more important to my understandint

First of all fuck system hopping

@Orhu System hopping is bat shit I was warning about this yesterday explicitly TWICE

Catherine

2:48 PM

I agree but I'm asking for compassion here

I've tested it myself, it doesn't work, you make a shitty copy

Be nicer, if you scare Donovan off he's just going to run into places that are deeper down the rabbit hole

Thank you.

He reminds me of the absolutely insane cult I was subject to when I was first made

Huh?

2:50 PM

Okay, well that might be another topic. (edited)

People would literally threaten to steal someone's tulpa or hold them hostage to manipulate them

2:50 PM

And never not once was it real but if you're a noob host you might be guillible enough to believe it

2:52 PM

You can make a tulpa of someone else's tulpa but it's not them

system-hopping and introjection and mind reading are very much associated with cult-like and abusive situations

It's a really bad immitation is all

there's a good series of writings, Cultiples, about cults in the plurality world

2:53 PM

free, I'll link the best one here in a sec

Imagine telling someone that their tulpa left them for you because you're a better host than they were

2:54 PM

God

2:54 PM

I can't even fathom what kind of psychopath does something like that

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